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Old 06-11-2015, 11:37 AM
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Default Lawyers do nothing useful for society!

http://legalgeekery.com/2009/10/02/s...e-for-society/

Think of it this way - when a lawyer helps you to get on with your life, they are out of a job. So where's the incentive for them to actually settle anything?
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If I had a lawyer I would be bankrupt, I would see my daughter once a month for a few hours in an access center and I would pay spousal support as long as I live.
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Many lawyers get into the field because, much like others in similar fields, they want to help and make a difference for people. But they do also have to make a living as well. There is a high cost associated with becoming a lawyer and most start their practice with that debt over them, plus a life to maintain, family, kids etc. What may seem like high rates for the service covers these costs of them being able to give you the professional advice through the knowledge they paid for and are now passing on to you.

And agreed on other service providers, there will always be people in need of services. Saying that lawyers have no incentive to help their clients settle is like saying doctors have no incentive to help cure their sick clients. There will always be some in any service industry however most service providers ARE there for the right reasons.
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Lawyers will never be out of a job.

The same could be said about doctors, mechanics, schools... Any provider of a service.

Yes, although doctors, mechanics and teachers provide useful services. A doctor can cure you, a mechanic will eventually get your car to work properly and teacher's help children develop their minds.

What exactly do lawyers do? They deplete forest with massive amounts of useless paperwork, help in negotiating unenforceable agreements and bull$hit both their clients and judges into believing that whatever they are yapping about in court is the Gospel truth?


And then what happens, more useless paperwork and unenforceable agreements ...
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Old 06-11-2015, 01:11 PM
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Many lawyers get into the field because, much like others in similar fields, they want to help and make a difference for people. But they do also have to make a living as well. There is a high cost associated with becoming a lawyer and most start their practice with that debt over them, plus a life to maintain, family, kids etc. What may seem like high rates for the service covers these costs of them being able to give you the professional advice through the knowledge they paid for and are now passing on to you.

And agreed on other service providers, there will always be people in need of services. Saying that lawyers have no incentive to help their clients settle is like saying doctors have no incentive to help cure their sick clients. There will always be some in any service industry however most service providers ARE there for the right reasons.

I have no issue with lawyers ( or any other service provider ) earning a decent living when they actually get things done - regardless of how expensive it may become.

I'm certainly not the only one who expects their lawyer to accomplish something useful? How many people in here have wasted disgusting amounts of money on legal bills --- with nothing to show for it. Worse, their legal battle has been ongoing for years with no sign of the finish line?
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Yes, although doctors, mechanics and teachers provide useful services. A doctor can cure you, a mechanic will eventually get your car to work properly and teacher's help children develop their minds.

What exactly do lawyers do? They deplete forest with massive amounts of useless paperwork, help in negotiating unenforceable agreements and bull$hit both their clients and judges into believing that whatever they are yapping about in court is the Gospel truth?


And then what happens, more useless paperwork and unenforceable agreements ...
how much of that is the lawyers fault vs their clients fault? They have to do what their client instructs them to do as long as it isn't illegal. Yes they can refuse but then they would get the reputation of not following clients wishes.
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I think what Janibel means is that some lawyers dont encourage settlement, even when their clients may be leaning that way because it lightens their wallet.
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If I didn't utilize a lawyer for my divorce I'd likely be in the Big House now, doing time for murder1.
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I think what Janibel means is that some lawyers dont encourage settlement, even when their clients may be leaning that way because it lightens their wallet.
The it is up to the client to say stop. If a client really is leaning towards settling then they need to put the brakes on their lawyer and say that they want to settle. Its the clients that are not really ready to settle that keep it going.
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The it is up to the client to say stop. If a client really is leaning towards settling then they need to put the brakes on their lawyer and say that they want to settle. Its the clients that are not really ready to settle that keep it going.
I believe some lawyers may insinuate to their clients that settling wouldn't be in their best interests for a) .. b) ... c) Need another LAO certificate for that vacation .. etc.

Just like that dateline episode where the car was brought into the mechanics in perfectly good shape and the mechanic invented problems (pulled a few tubes out of joint) and said the car had to stay the week for another_____$.

My lawyer's very good and reasonably priced so Im not complaining about her at all ... but I'm positive this does occur with lawyers as well.
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