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Old 09-06-2016, 10:54 PM
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Only a few days before my OCL section 112 disclosure meeting. Have to say I am a little nervous by having someone who has been in D5's life for less than 20 hours making these recommendations. Also my ex seems to be nervous as well and has came up with some last minute strategies, not sure but may back fire on her. Will keep you updated as to how it turns out for us.


I have read a bunch of OCL topics but was wondering if anyone out there can give some last minute advice to what to expect and how to cope with the extra stress related to this.
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Only a few days before my OCL section 112 disclosure meeting. Have to say I am a little nervous by having someone who has been in D5's life for less than 20 hours making these recommendations. Also my ex seems to be nervous as well and has came up with some last minute strategies, not sure but may back fire on her. Will keep you updated as to how it turns out for us.


I have read a bunch of OCL topics but was wondering if anyone out there can give some last minute advice to what to expect and how to cope with the extra stress related to this.
OCL isn't very good at what they do. Had you spoken up prior to getting the OCL many people would have advised against OCL and the necessary case law to put in your BoA to not have them involved.
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Completely agree with Tayken. OCL was ordered in our case.

The worker provided a report that included meetings that never took place and quoted them. The worker only met with the child by phone for 10 minutes and another 10 minutes in person at the school.

When challenged, OCL refused to stand behind the report and fired the worker.

Just because something in written in the report does not mean it happened or was actually said.
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I have to agree too after what I have read of some of their reports.

I have read some bad reviews of the social worker doing mine, mainly about how he/she takes on cases that are in conflict of interest. He/she also seems to be pretty flaky in regards to booking apportionment. They also booked disclosure meeting prior to talking to my contacts I had provided, and the most important one they haven't even talked to yet and there is one business day before disclosure.

My case conference was adjourned to see if OCL was going to step in and they did. Wish I would have read more about them prior to this.

Tayken, what is BoA? I have tried to search about it but came up empty handed.

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Tayken, what is BoA? I have tried to search about it but came up empty handed.
Book of Authorities (Where you stuff your case law for the judge to review.)

For example you could have included this very common one that is used quite often to deflect nonsense like Section 30 evaluations and OCL.

http://www.ottawadivorce.com/forum/f...azaratz-12452/
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Thanks for the reply, I was thinking brief of argument. But that has shed some more light into the case law part I had been wondering about.

I am in Justice Pazaratz house when I go to court and have loved reading many of his decisions that have been posted. Especially his one where he made the mother pay costs to snip her wings.

My lawyer is not very good and overworked. I am trying to do some things myself so I can snip my ex wings. Do you know of any examples of Offer to Settles out there? I would like to prepare a few reasonable ones so that I can then go to legal aid and show evidence of how the ex lies in all court documents and that they are funding me as well to defend against them. No doubt that this OCL report will be full of lies that the ex states, but may be good because I can prove a lot of things she says so far are not true.
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The results are in! You are the father! Just kidding, but I did get a DNA test for my own peace of mind prior.

The disclosure meeting went rather well I think,

The ex showed up 30mins late, which confirms what I have stated to the OCL.

I showed up first and began recording prior to entering the office.

While waiting for the ex to arrive our lawyers began to try and settle other cases directly in front of me, lmao.

OCL recommended equal time sharing; which is what I am fighting for, nothing more nothing less.

They recommended a parallel approach. Leaving me to make final decisions regarding education and religion, and the ex medical.

They recommended that the ex seek some sort of parenting class and/or therapy.

I am going to prepare an Offer to Settle based off this report, and states some recommendations regarding medical related wishes for our daughter. If she cannot agree it should clearly show the ex's inability to make a final decision regarding medical related issues. If she does agree to them I will gladly agree to her making these decisions. If not, a fight for sole would be in order.

Ocl worker directly stated to the ex that she will be able to book dentist appointments, lol.

A little off topic, but while waiting for the ex to arrive. There was some discussion regrading members of the bar, and a new judge that had been appointed. The ex's lawyer said that this new judge is really young and was just a few years younger than herself, my lawyer then replied "That doesn't necessarily mean that she is young at all." My lawyer and I had a very good chuckle at her expense to set the mood.
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They recommended a parallel approach. Leaving me to make final decisions regarding education and religion, and the ex medical.
This is typical. Remember, doctors are professionals and they won't do anything stupid. Also, there is more that someone can screw around with when it comes to school. Like moving the school out of jurisdiction. Medical there is a very well trained professional who is ultimately guiding parents through it all. They also can and will ignore the order if they feel their patient is in need of proper care. Doctors are not beholden to the court order.

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They recommended that the ex seek some sort of parenting class and/or therapy.
Don't worry about what they recommended for the other parent. Look at what they recommended for you.

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I am going to prepare an Offer to Settle based off this report, and states some recommendations regarding medical related wishes for our daughter.
It is hard to screw around with medical stuff. Doctors code of practice won't let them administer unnecessary treatments. You are better off having education. You can really screw up the educational stuff. That is why you were given that.

I would simply recommend you put forward a offer to settle that is exactly the same as the OCL report. 50-50 access. joint custody in the model of parallel parenting and for any dispute resolution the matter goes to arbitration not court.

No need to fight any further than this. Glad to see the SteelCity OCL got a good wake up call after having their wings clipped.
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I disagree with the statement - Doctors code of practice won't let them administer unnecessary treatments.

This does not mean they won't. In my case, a walk in doctor who did not know my child or situation, was reprimanded by the College for administering a very invasive examination to a distraught and upset 9 yr old.
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The results are in! You are the father! Just kidding, but I did get a DNA test for my own peace of mind prior.

The disclosure meeting went rather well I think,

The ex showed up 30mins late, which confirms what I have stated to the OCL.

I showed up first and began recording prior to entering the office.

While waiting for the ex to arrive our lawyers began to try and settle other cases directly in front of me, lmao.

OCL recommended equal time sharing; which is what I am fighting for, nothing more nothing less.

They recommended a parallel approach. Leaving me to make final decisions regarding education and religion, and the ex medical.

They recommended that the ex seek some sort of parenting class and/or therapy.

I am going to prepare an Offer to Settle based off this report, and states some recommendations regarding medical related wishes for our daughter. If she cannot agree it should clearly show the ex's inability to make a final decision regarding medical related issues. If she does agree to them I will gladly agree to her making these decisions. If not, a fight for sole would be in order.

Ocl worker directly stated to the ex that she will be able to book dentist appointments, lol.

A little off topic, but while waiting for the ex to arrive. There was some discussion regrading members of the bar, and a new judge that had been appointed. The ex's lawyer said that this new judge is really young and was just a few years younger than herself, my lawyer then replied "That doesn't necessarily mean that she is young at all." My lawyer and I had a very good chuckle at her expense to set the mood.
if your ex has final say in medical then she has final say. You are basically saying that you will make suggestions on kids medical care and if she doesn't agree then that you wont allow it and go for sole. In reality you want all decision making from what you are saying.
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