Ottawa Divorce .com Forums


User CP

New posts

Advertising

  Ottawa Divorce .com Forums > Main Category > Divorce Support

Divorce Support This forum is for discussing the emotional aspects of divorce: stress, anger, betrayal of trust and more.

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 10:04 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 451
Exquizique is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAngel View Post
I think you're right on that - however, chances are that if you've been through court then the parties are not agreeable and the chance of getting both to consent to NOT going through FRO would be slim to none.
Very true, unfortunately. Just another example of how people inadvertently screw each other over simply by not willing to be mature, civil and reasonable adults ...
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 10:39 AM
hadenough's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,468
hadenough is on a distinguished road
Default

The FRO is automatic once there's an order. Whether its by a judge or a separation agreement that's been hammered out. Parties must "opt out" of FRO. Both parties. Otherwise, FRO is automatically involved. It would be great to not have to deal w/them but when there's situations like mine: I need all the "enforcement" I can get. I called FRO (re: his latest pymt) - they said to cash it. I'm not anywhere in their system. Nor is he (the ex). YET. Once we are: THEN I am not to take any monies from him directly. Also, to Mess: the courts go back to the date of APPLICATION, as to do otherwise would provide an incentive for parties to hold off on commencing proceedings (and thereby accumulating more arrears). This was specifically mentioned in the Judgment I rec'd. We separated in 2007. My application in court was Sep/08. All amts now ordered payable go back only to the APPLICATION date. The F.R.O.'s website explains how it all works. For example, parties can "opt out" and then down the road, one party may wish to re-involve them. This is possible and ofcourse, for a fee: I believe it's $50 or thereabouts. They re-open the file.. Start the "process" and you wait...
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 10:57 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 451
Exquizique is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hadenough View Post
The FRO is automatic once there's an order. Whether its by a judge or a separation agreement that's been hammered out. Parties must "opt out" of FRO. Both parties. Otherwise, FRO is automatically involved. It would be great to not have to deal w/them but when there's situations like mine: I need all the "enforcement" I can get. I called FRO (re: his latest pymt) - they said to cash it. I'm not anywhere in their system. Nor is he (the ex). YET. Once we are: THEN I am not to take any monies from him directly.
Ah yes, so there is an option to opt out, that's good to know.

If FRO was to be in the position to actually carry out their mandate the way it was intended to be, then i have no arguments with FRO being the enforcing party, especially for high conflict cases and cases with a history of non-payment. However, with the way things are with FRO right now, until they get their internal affairs in order i can tell you that sadly, if you are in the "unlucky" majority of recipients you are not going to get the "enforcement" you think you will get from FRO. Is there a need for an agency/body like FRO? Absolutely. But with the way things are right now, i would say that unless it's extreme circumstances of ridiculous conflict bewteen the two parties and willful/malicious evasion of responsibilities from the payor, then it's simply not worth the grief, stress and frustration to go through FRO if there's even a chance of some sort of alternative arrangement for payment being made. All i can say is that i work in the government, and the mess that is FRO is pretty ... horrific, even for government. There's unlikely going to be any improvements on FRO's end for a good many years yet.
  #14 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:02 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,726
HammerDad will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hadenough View Post
The FRO is automatic once there's an order. Whether its by a judge or a separation agreement that's been hammered out. ..
Incorrect. Straight from the FRO website:

Quote:
When an Ontario court makes a support order, it also issues a support deduction order. The support deduction order is sent to the FRO and is automatically registered.

When a domestic contract has been filed with the court, the payor or recipient may choose to register it with the FRO.

To register a domestic contract with the FRO you must:

•File the domestic contract, or paternity agreement, with the Ontario Court of Justice or Superior Court of Justice (Family Court) along with an Affidavit for Filing.

•Mail a copy of the domestic contract, or paternity agreement along with a copy of the affidavit and a completed registration package to the FRO.

Once that information has been received the domestic contract is registered.
  #15 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:04 AM
hadenough's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,468
hadenough is on a distinguished road
Default

It sucks to hear that FRO can be so inept. Its such an important service and to know it is so flawed is truly upsetting. My situation IS very high conflict. I cannot imagine having to deal with him directly. I will have to take my chances with the FRO as the alternative, for me is far far worse. My ex is controlling and abusive. We cannot speak to eachother at all and it's best that way. I'm hoping FRO will be the best route for me. I have no other option.
  #16 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:10 AM
hadenough's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,468
hadenough is on a distinguished road
Default

Hello Hammerdad: yes. That's true. Individuals CAN file their domestic contracts. My point was that any order from Trial or Pre-trial done through court/lawyers resulting in an ORDER, goes to FRO. Domestic contracts without counsel can be submitted as far as I know yes, but that would mean the party/parties personally sent the "agreement" to the FRO. In my case: I had trial. There was a reserved judgment. That judgment was released in Sept. It is the Judge's Final Order. All 23 glorious pages of it. Signed and Sealed.
  #17 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:13 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 3,726
HammerDad will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hadenough View Post
Hello Hammerdad: yes. That's true. Individuals CAN file their domestic contracts. My point was that any order from Trial or Pre-trial done through court/lawyers resulting in an ORDER, goes to FRO. Domestic contracts without counsel can be submitted as far as I know yes, but that would mean the party/parties personally sent the "agreement" to the FRO. In my case: I had trial. There was a reserved judgment. That judgment was released in Sept. It is the Judge's Final Order. All 23 glorious pages of it. Signed and Sealed.
Alright, but you have to be more concise. You stated:

[/quote] or a separation agreement that's been hammered out. [/quote]

Which was what I was pointing out as incorrect as they are not automatically registered with FRO even if they are registered with the courts.
  #18 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:30 AM
hadenough's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,468
hadenough is on a distinguished road
Default

I believe the Ontario Ombudsman would field/review any FRO-related concerns. I will definitely be jumping on any bandwagon I can if there is a problem for me (with FRO). I have a couple of friends who recv their CS payments through the FRO and they are, for the most part, satisfied. There have been a couple of issues, but nothing that wasn't dealt with once it was brought to their attention. I hate hearing that the FRO is not all that I'd heard about it. I really have no other hope for enforcement.
  #19 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:32 AM
hadenough's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 2,468
hadenough is on a distinguished road
Default

Yes Hammerdad: I was vague. I should have been more concise. Agreed
  #20 (permalink)  
Old 11-03-2011, 12:16 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 205
TLCRN is on a distinguished road
Default Support: according to my narcissistic EX

Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAngel View Post
I think you're right on that - however, chances are that if you've been through court then the parties are not agreeable and the chance of getting both to consent to NOT going through FRO would be slim to none.
I totally agree with you. Most couple who get along and consent, are usually not in Court dealing with support. Most Judges will write in court orders for payments to go to FRO, with most legal counsels agreeing especially if representing the recipient. It is very difficult to obtain support payments and arrears from the payor without having to involve the Courts, and FRO. We all know FRO is far from being perfect!
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Children's bennefits Wiser2008 Financial Issues 20 01-02-2014 12:19 PM
The suit against FRO moves forward part1 AtALoss Divorce & Family Law 51 09-30-2013 12:01 PM
press release: Ontario's Family Responsibility office Peggy Parenting Issues 8 10-22-2010 11:20 AM
Difficult situation please advise Mikesgal Divorce & Family Law 5 05-09-2006 03:56 PM
The Concept: Standard of living gooddadgoingmad Divorce & Family Law 7 02-20-2006 10:59 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:19 PM.