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Old 01-24-2014, 01:37 PM
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Actually, I don't think a woman can be paid for surrogacy in Canada. I think they can be reimbursed costs for things like maternity clothes, missed work, but technically not be paid for their surrogacy. I could be wrong.

What is interesting is that to use donor sperm here in Canada you do not need to go through being qualified to raise a child. Some fertility centres insist that you see a psych to deal with the emotional aspects of raising a donor baby but they don't ascertain if you are fit to have a family. That in itself is bizarre given you do need a home assessment to adopt a child.

I think the bigger issue is this: Whether the sperm was donated or paid for or not, the issue is that it is the right of the child to have the CS, at least as far as the legal ruling in this particular case has established.

There are some distinctions between donor and adopted babies that have made headlines and were in the supreme court of Canada. Not sure if they have been resolved as of yet but I suspect so. A donor baby (now an adult) when to court because they wanted to know who their donor sperm father was. This child claimed it was her right to know. I believe the lower courts deemed it wasn't her right as the father's donated their sperm based on their anonymous donation. But the child went on to say that adopted babies get to unseal their records and get info on their bio parents and donor babies should have the same rights. Last I heard it was at the Supreme Court. I believe one of their arguments was that the donor babies were being discriminated against given they didn't have the same rights as adopted babies.
My ex approached me (during our marriage) about donating to a friend of hers, whose husband's family had some serious genetic issues. I felt guilty about saying no. Now I think I dodged a bullet.
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Actually, I don't think a woman can be paid for surrogacy in Canada. I think they can be reimbursed costs for things like maternity clothes, missed work, but technically not be paid for their surrogacy. I could be wrong.
The same is true in many U.S. states so what the legal firms do that handle these is bake a bunch of b.s. expenses under the umbrella of "medical needs." I saw a show where a woman got paid 60k in "medical needs" and would regularly call the couple to ask for miscellaneous bits of money here and there.

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I believe the lower courts deemed it wasn't her right as the father's donated their sperm based on their anonymous donation. But the child went on to say that adopted babies get to unseal their records and get info on their bio parents and donor babies should have the same rights. Last I heard it was at the Supreme Court. I believe one of their arguments was that the donor babies were being discriminated against given they didn't have the same rights as adopted babies.
Very interesting. The message that men need to take out of this is that you need to really think about donating your squigglies....the later ramifications are not something you'd consider possible at the time of donation.
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Sort of off topic but will likely make your head spin...

I had the opportunity to be involved in a discussion with Barry Stevens:

Toronto man claims to have up to 1,000 siblings through single sperm donor | Toronto Star

It was truly one of the most interesting discussions I have ever had the opportunity to be involved in. He has a documentary that is equally as interesting based on his own story.

This discussion provided a lot of information. I don't recall the exact statistics but it went on to say that because we don't pay for gametes here that many men do not donate their sperm (lack of incentive to do so). But there are a FEW that do. These few tend to donate and donate so much so that there were over 50 childRen in Toronto in a 50 mile radius that are related as they all share the same donor. And the number could be higher since there is no registry for these donor babies (it is also not recorded on their birth certificates or in a birth registry, only at the clinic that inseminated them and there is no onus to report if that insemination resulted in a successful birth).

So these kids are running around in a relatively small geographical space not knowing they are related to one another!
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Serene:

There was an infamous case in the U.S. where a fertility doctor used his own sperm at his clinic. It was in a small town and I believe it was a combination of things that got him caught...one being that the kids all went to a local dentists office that started noticing the same rare dental deformity in an unrepresentative sample of kids.

They reported the story on 60-minutes and a lot of parents were really concerned because the town they lived in was small enough that the children could have easily dated each other.

Cecil Jacobson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And he's not the only one, there's been others....like this guy in Britain:

British man 'fathered 600 children' at own fertility clinic - Telegraph
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This kind of reminds me of the now-concluded TV series Big Love. Bill Paxton starred in the role as the polygamist patriarch. One year the series finale story-line was similar.

Really very creepy.
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This kind of reminds me of the now-concluded TV series Big Love. Bill Paxton starred in the role as the polygamist patriarch. One year the series finale story-line was similar.

Really very creepy.
Yes it is creepy, seems to be more and more cases of unethical MD's willing to play God to generate some extra revenue. Octomom's doctor should be held responsible for a portion of raising that litter of kidlets. From a legal standpoint I can well imagine how complicated future litigations will become.
Calling DNA specialist and bio-engineer's to the stand?
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It's not just MD's that try to play god.

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Octomom's doctor should be held responsible for a portion of raising that litter of kidlets.
Then that will set a precedent....we know when people go the in-vitro fert route, there is always the chance of multiple births. So you can see that "holding clinics responsible", will make nobody want to offer the service for the fear of being sued.

I have trouble seeing what difference it makes how the sperm got into her, and whether he enjoyed or not. There are documents signed by both of them saying he is not the father.

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Well, he is the father. Everyone agrees on that, biologically. The question is, what procedures and policies do we, as a society, need to make sure are in place in order to ensure that people can't just abandon their obligations in situations like this?
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^^ You forgot your source again.
Unless, of course, you are DamnYankees on Fark. But he seems to be Ethan from New York.

FARK.com: (8113481) Kansas judge: "You gave sperm to a lesbian couple? You can't prove you didn't fark them, so you're the father, now pay up"

This is what DamnYankees had to say (last night, no less):

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"Well, he is the father. Everyone agrees on that, biologically. The question is, what procedures and policies do we, as a society, need to make sure are in place in order to ensure that people can't just abandon their obligations as a parent.

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^^ You forgot your source again.
Unless, of course, you are DamnYankees on Fark. But he seems to be Ethan from New York.

FARK.com: (8113481) Kansas judge: "You gave sperm to a lesbian couple? You can't prove you didn't fark them, so you're the father, now pay up"

This is what DamnYankees had to say (last night, no less):

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"Well, he is the father. Everyone agrees on that, biologically. The question is, what procedures and policies do we, as a society, need to make sure are in place in order to ensure that people can't just abandon their obligations as a parent.
Wow. Simply wow.

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Wow. Simply wow.

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Another typical day in Ottawa divorce forum ... (my own comment btw)
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