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You can take the best written approved separation agreement to a bunch of lawyers and they will all tell you it is "wrong" and it "needs changes" and it "lacks protections" blah blah blah.
The supposedly best separation agreements that supposedly have "everything" in them are generally next to useless if one of the parties does not act in the spirit of the agreement. Financial matters are pretty clear cut, you split it down the middle, divide the pensions, calculate the book figures for spousal support etc. That is simply coming up with a figure that is very predictable. A separation agreement just states those numbers. The real problems are in access and custody. You can have all the clauses you can think of but if one parent decides to brain wash the child or cause the child to be emotionally dependent of them, then the problems will arise that make most agreements next to worthless. The best agreements, by way of success, are those where both parties sit down together and come up with their own agreement. Its when one of them gets to sit down for some advice that it often goes nasty and those with a vested interest having some endless litigation just throw some fuel on the fire to create another "good client". Copying someone elses separation agreement from an internet forum is almost certain to guarantee problems. The best agreements are those that work successfully and you those who sign them are most unlikely to make their agreement public. |
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I think it's a good idea to provide a sample agreement, there might be little things that you might miss on your own.
I like the birthday one... never thought of that. It's probably best to have things detailed out like this incase you/ex run into problems later on, better try to get everything covered now in hopes to save either one of you running to the courts. I found a few in one of the divorce books: Both parents recognize the importance of other family members and events that could arise when they have child and try to stay flexible with advanced notice to ensure that child doesn't miss important family events. Make up time can be determined mutually between parents. In making plans for access, the parties will give the needs and convenience of the child primary importance and will give their own needs and convenience only secondary importance. They shall at all times maintain a reasonable and flexible position respecting the visiting arrangements with the child and at all times, the best interests of the child shall prevail. The parties will keep each other informed of matters touching the interest of the child and they will confer as often as necessary to solve any difficulty reside by or on behalf of the child. |
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I think it's important to identify that the "Separation Agreement" is pursuant to statute of particular jurisdiction. For Ontario - FLA.
Additionally, names of the parties, and their Dependants - D.O.B. and their residency. Commissioning and witness is worthy of consideration. |
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I think people need to realize that when it comes to parenting schedules separation agreements and court orders are like a new car. They are depreciate 30% as soon as they are driven off the lot. And they continue to depreciate over time.
Good parenting plans are dynamic and recognize that children's needs change over relatively small incerements in time. What works today will not necessarily, and even probably, work in a year or even less due to a variety of reasons, including ages of the children, social development, parents own living arrangements, new relationships, develeping interests for children, progress in school, where the kids best friends are, etc etc etc etc. Trying to contemplate an all encompassing parenting schedule in the aftermath of separation works at that point in time, but a detailed parenting schedule that provides certainty just after separation will almost certainly be a little or a lot obsolete within a year of it's creation. The schedule needs to evolve as the lives of the kids and parents and their respective environments change. In highly conflicted situations, a regimented and detailed acces schedule is desirable, even necessary. But as time goes by and especially as court involvement becomes less visible in the rear view mirror, parenting times can be adapted to recognize that conflict between the parents will likely, but not certainly, diminish. Unfortunately, increasing amounts of flexibility being built into parenting plans over time is at odds with the $ implications of CS. |
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I agree that the end goal should be where you can get along and not need to reference the separation agreement, however the chore and the task is getting to the point where parenting is no longer a source of conflict. In my situation, I need something as iron clad as possible, at least initially.
People and situations change, so in 6 months, a year, or 10 years from now, I can certainly hope that things will be different. If there is a way to interpret something differently, my ex will not only find it, she will everything in her power to exploit and twist it around. I far prefer to have something that's extremely detailed, so when conflict rears its ugly head once more, I can put the brakes on, haul out the agreement and essentially use it to beat her foolishness back into submission. But that's me and my situation. Kind of goes without saying that every situation is just a little bit unique. Quote:
In my situation, my ex's legal aid lawyer just keeps letting her try to fight back, over foolish little things. Not only does he allow it, he actually encourages it. Quote:
BUT if you make things very very clear cut, it makes it that much harder for them to try to play the "find the loophole" game. Anyway the entire point of posting this was to give others that may be in the same boat of dealing with an extremely difficult ex something to think about. I mean, how many of us (especially those with young children) would think to put in items about post secondary school from the get go? 18 months ago I know I sure wouldn't have thought of it. |
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I agree, the best SA is not going to stop a determined ex from running your life. But for me, setting the rules down explicitly (in an SA) is the best thing, as ex does not seem to comprehend things well (English is his 2nd language). I'm still unsure if some of his misbehaviour in the past few months has been intentional or due to his level of understanding. Probably a little of both.
Having a detailed SA will not stop conflict, but it might reduce it. If you can detail dates, times etc in there, then you might not have to deal with unneccessary phone calls screaming over what time the kids need to be picked up/ dropped off. It will all be detailed and nothing to argue about. If you are one of those families that can work together to decide what works for your kids, CONGRATS, you're already half-way there. But for those of us in high conflict situations..PLEASE help us buy posting the clauses (or info) that has worked (or backfired!) for you. |
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You can always add in a clause that gives each parent time with the child on the parent's birthday. I think it's really important, given that yesterday was mine and I had to take time off work and take her out of daycare just to take her to lunch. Would have been so much easier just to have 2 hours designated to me after work.
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Another thing maybe to add is who will be claiming the child as a dependant on their income taxes. From what I have heard if both of you make the claim, then neither one of you will be able to if one parent doesn't withdraw.
If it's not in the agreement, does the govt look at factors such as primary residence, custody etc as to who can claim or is it best to make sure that it's in writing? |
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