Ottawa Divorce .com Forums


User CP

New posts

Advertising

  Ottawa Divorce .com Forums > Main Category > Divorce & Family Law

Divorce & Family Law This forum is for discussing any of the legal issues involved in your divorce.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 10:27 AM
YGTBFJ's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Orléans
Posts: 25
YGTBFJ is on a distinguished road
Post Child Support Table metrics

I'm trying to understand the rational for the child support tables. For 2 children the amount is approximately 17-18% of your gross income for salaries between $50 - $100k. I understand in a general sense that its for groceries and clothing but it gets a little fuzzy when you start talking about a fraction of the housing costs and of course there is lots of ambiguity with the section 7 items. Does anyone know what metrics these table amounts were based on? Is there an article somewhere that describes these things? I ask because the amounts seem high in my case compared to how things were managed when we were a family unit. I agree with the children first approach, but again, the amounts seem a bit disproportionate.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 11:07 AM
Rioe's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Ontario
Posts: 3,248
Rioe will become famous soon enough
Default

Somebody here did a detailed analysis of it a while back. But I can't recall who, and I'm not having much luck turning it up with the search function this morning. Maybe someone else can do better.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 11:51 AM
YGTBFJ's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Orléans
Posts: 25
YGTBFJ is on a distinguished road
Default

I have searched the topic, but nothing has jumped out that answers the question. The justice site speaks to adjustments based on various income-tax rates. There has to be an underlying set of assumptions that went into making the tables. That's what I'm trying to understand.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 11:54 AM
Tayken's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 6,569
Tayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YGTBFJ View Post
I have searched the topic, but nothing has jumped out that answers the question. The justice site speaks to adjustments based on various income-tax rates. There has to be an underlying set of assumptions that went into making the tables. That's what I'm trying to understand.

Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk
Why do you care? As I stated in another thread you are not going to change them. Just move on and settle your matter. You are simply trying to distract yourself from the matter at hand by wallowing in the math. You are just going to get pissed off and focus on nonsense when you should be focusing on settling your matter.

Less trying to find fault with a government service and more moving on. It will be cheaper for you in the long run.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 11:56 AM
Tayken's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 6,569
Tayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant futureTayken has a brilliant future
Default

Quote:
The amounts in the tables are based on economic studies of average spending on children in families at different income levels in Canada. They are calculated on the basis that child support payments are no longer taxable in the hands of the receiving parent and no longer deductible by the paying parent. They are calculated using a mathematical formula and generated by a computer program.
Explained here: Federal Child Support Guidelines

READ
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 12:00 PM
Janus's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,342
Janus will become famous soon enough
Default

My understanding was that it was "found" that one child increases the costs of a household by 40%, and every subsequent child by an additional 30%, or something along those lines.

Please don't try to argue the tables in front of a judge though. They don't even understand offset, so they sure as hell won't understand or appreciate any mathematical argument about the source of the child support tables that were put together by government experts.

That may or may not be before it was "found" that post-divorce mothers were living in high levels of poverty, so the CS tables were designed to maximize the transfer of wealth to these mothers in order to minimize the level of poverty of children. I think that increasing the transfer of wealth was actually part of the mandate of the group that made the tables.

I'll be happy with just fixing offset. Fixing the CS tables themselves is a task that is beyond imagining.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 01:15 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,681
trinton has a little shameless behaviour in the past
Default

They're set that high so moms can't complain that they're too low. Because we all know how moms can be. It's to shut them up. Here is $500, stfu. They still don't shut up and start harassing you for S7 items.

Your best bet is to comply with the law and pay the guideline and don't argue. Judges hate when people complain about child support guidelines. It puts them in a situation they don't want to be in. They know they're screwing you over but they know mommies lawyer will grill them if they don't stand by the law. Child support amounts are black and white. The line is very clearly drawn.
Your best bet: get the child with you for 40% of the time and you can get child support from her.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 01:27 PM
Hand of Justice
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: In the Shadows
Posts: 3,146
Links17 is on a distinguished road
Default

It's just a scam, it has more to do with how much money do w need so single moms are not in poverty. As soon as you think family law is supposed to be "fair" you have made your first big mistake. Just learn the rules and play the game.

This is what you want to read.
http://www.fact.on.ca/fin_supp/whatwerethey.pdf

Tayken is right, fight battles you can win. Child support guidelines are not going to change so do as much as yuo can to be like a single mother to benefit from all the handouts they receive.

That means get 50/50 residency

Last edited by Links17; 11-06-2016 at 01:29 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 11-06-2016, 01:30 PM
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,681
trinton has a little shameless behaviour in the past
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Links17 View Post
It's just a scam, it has more to do with how much money do w need so single moms are not in poverty. As soon as you think family law is supposed to be "fair" you have made your first big mistake. Just learn the rules and play the game.

This is what you want to read.
http://www.fact.on.ca/fin_supp/whatwerethey.pdf

Tayken is right, fight battles you can win. Child support guidelines are not going to change so do as much as yuo can to be like a single mother to benefit from all the handouts they receive.

That means get 50/50 residency


You see custody should go to the parent with the higher standard of living. Not to the bum.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
child support formula, lawyermath


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Child Support Forever? RunningMan Financial Issues 12 10-26-2015 04:40 PM
ODF beats ILA Rioe Divorce & Family Law 18 01-03-2014 05:40 PM
Post Secondary Education Ginger_Mallow Divorce & Family Law 39 12-11-2012 09:18 PM
When to file a cross-motion for child support Soccermom Common Law Issues 6 08-16-2012 12:01 AM
Who is responsible for Child Support momof3 Divorce & Family Law 16 05-12-2011 12:20 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:02 AM.